Guest: Joey (Guitar player, Biochemist, Drummer, Chemist, Songwriter)
[Currently the time stamps are just estimates]
Phill 0:05
So this guest and I first met when the Foo Fighters were known as that band, the drummer from Nirvana started. Over the years, we'd play cello together, kick it out local shows, witnessed the best and worst of what house parties had to offer, and eventually chill in his bar. He also ended up taking care of my base for a few years (thanks again for that) I would like to welcome a hero I call by their first name, Joey.
Joey S 0:34
Phill. So, great to be here. Thank you.
Phill 0:36
Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, it's great to have you on here, man. Yeah, man, just, you know, I know we just chatted a little bit before this. But yeah, this is the first time we have spoken in like 10 years.
Joey S 0:49
It's been awhile.
Phill 0:49
Aside from social media. Right?
Joey S 0:50
Right. You know, that's a good thing that like you know, we're able to just like instant message each other on on whatever service AIM or Instagram or Facebook, whatever.
Phill 1:01
Yeah, you went way back to a man. That's classic.
Joey S 1:05
No, AOL, man, dude.
Phill 1:07
Yeah, man.
Joey S 1:08
NQPDread.
Phill 1:08
I think we chatted on that before, too? Like, yeah, just with band stuff as well.
Joey S 1:12
NQPDread.
Phill 1:13
Yes.
Joey S 1:13
And Von's screenname was saurdihibi-
Phill 1:13
Yes, that's right. What was yours?
Joey S 1:20
I can still spell it- Mine was, I mean, at that time, it was probably Fiberglass 2 or Fiberglass 3 or something.
Phill 1:26
Yes. Yes. That was the name of- that was your a band as well.
Joey S 1:29
Right, Fiberglass was my first band around that time, 1998, yeah.
Phill 1:32
Yeah, man, wow. So that was yeah, pushing almost- well it will be 20- over 20 years ago.
Joey S 1:40
22 years ago.
Phill 1:41
Yeah.
Joey S 1:41
22 years ago. Yeah.
Phill 1:43
Holy crap, man.
Joey S 1:44
22/23
Phill 1:45
Wow, man, so that
Joey S 1:46
I met you and like 97
Phill 1:48
Yeah, yeah. 'cause I was a grade-
Joey S 1:51
You were 2 grades. Yeah. So I first heard about end up in like, 1996. I was in eighth grade. And my friend, Roy. Do you remember?
Phill 2:03
Yeah, I remember Roy.
Joey S 2:04
Yeah, he was in like my, you know, my 8th grade classes and stuff and he was a drummer and like, whatever he played the quads in like march band or whatever So he knew a bunch of like the older the older kids that were musicians that were very talented musicians in Green Machine and he would tell me that like, "Oh yeah there's this band like Not Quite Punx. NQP and they're called" . I'm like, "What do you mean there's a band? Like to have like kids from Brentwood?". "Yeah kids from Brentwood like"
Phill 2:04
Yeah, 'cause that was not heard of
Joey S 2:31
"...And it's got Phill and Chris and Rui"- another guy named Rui. So yeah, he told me about that. And then I saw you at NYSSMA
Phill 2:48
Oh, yes, yes, that's right.
Joey S 2:50
Yeah, I didn't know you- we didn't know each other but like, I knew who you were you were that guy from NQP. Yeah. And I was like, "Oh snap. That's that dude." And, you played cello. I knew you played cello and then the year after that is when we were in orchestra together.
Phill 3:07
Yeah, Mr. Millheiser.
Joey S 3:09
In orchestra and we were stand partners. We sat in the back of the cello section. And Yo, you had him. Oh my god, you you and him back and forth. the whole period. it was hilarious.
Phill 3:21
I don't know why I was such an asshole, man.
Joey S 3:22
You weren't an asshole you weren't. You were just funny. You were like, the class clown. funniest guy in class, and Bobby and Jose who were my grade- my good friends. You and them too. That was that was like the best- the best period of you know, it's one of the best periods of my life.
Phill 3:42
It was good times wasn't it? I loved that class, man.
Joey S 3:47
"Jose, you get zero for the day." Jose always goes zero. Every day every day you Mr. Millheister would give a zero and then like, and then. And then I met Von-Oh, do we? are we calling him Vpn or Chris?
Phill 4:05
Yeah, either way is fine, man. I mean, that is like his name.
Joey S 4:09
That was his name. Yeah. So, I don't know if I should keep going with this or...
Phill 4:15
Yeah, go for it, man.
Joey S 4:16
so then Vaughn like, um, you know, so before class, there was orchestra, and then there was band right across the hallway. And you know, I'm in 10th grade and you guys are seniors. Everyone. Well, the seniors would be out in the in the hallway. You know, like kicking around a hackysack. And not yet. That's when I found you because he was in band and in the same period of what was it like eighth period, I think or like,
Phill 4:41
yeah, that's today. Yeah.
Joey S 4:43
Yeah. And we were like, right by the outside doors of like the soccer fields or whatever it was over there. And, you know, you'd be wearing like his bed religion shirt, and he would he would have his jacket with Jncos with a chain wallet. And like a book bag with all the patches on operation. face to face, man. Whoa, whoa, this guy is punk. Yes, punk. And he had the same mushroom haircut as me.
Phill 5:05
Yes. The mushroom haircut, man.
Joey S 5:08
That's how I met Vaughn. And he was like, Oh, this is my son. He would tell everybody. This is my son like I was in my mind. Yes. And, you know, he, you, you, you and him, like, introduced me to everybody.
Phill 5:24
Yeah, yes. Right. Yeah, we, we were tight. Yeah.
Joey S 5:28
And then, um, yeah, I could go on and on. But yeah, man, I'll let you keep this moving on. We can come back.
Phill 5:35
Yeah, definitely, man. It's just like. So, yeah, dude. Yeah, so can you just like share a little bit about like, what got you into music like with instruments because like, that wasn't really a thing. Right? Well, maybe what Brentwood because you know, there's a big
Joey S 5:37
Well we started playing music later.
Phill 5:50
You know a Latin American community. Say again?
Joey S 5:54
We started playing music later.
Phill 5:56
Later.Yeah, that's right.
Joey S 5:57
We didn't play music until 7th grade. Before that 6th grade, you were in like- it was just music lose like a lecture. And we had A days and B days.
Phill 6:07
That's right. We had like a chorus
Joey S 6:09
Right. A day was like chorus or whatever- your music lecture class and B days was gym. And now I wasn't much of an athlete. So it's like- but then music class is so boring. I didn't care about that at all. But then I got into, like, you know, like, at that time, really young, 10 years old, you know, 5th grade, my older brothers. Were into like, hip hop of the time, like, you know, EPMD, Naughty by Nature, Gangstar, Wu-Tang, you know, all that stuff in the early 90s, the whole West Coast thing. And so I was exposed to that. And I was like, Yeah, I was down-you know, Dr. Dre, the Chronic.
Phill 6:46
Yeah, a classic, man.
Joey S 6:47
And then and then all at the same time. You know, they were my brothers were also they were like metal heads before that. There's all those like Master of Puppets and like Megadeth and Slayer and stuff. So I was exposed to that at a very young age. And I liked you know, I liked all styles of music really. Because I really loved music but like the hip hop and like, hard rock music or whatever you want to call it was is really what resonated to me. And then, you know, I guess I would watch MTV, whatever. And then like the buzz clips would come on.
That's when they had the MTV buzz clips, and I sawyou know, this is September "93 now and it's Nirvana. Who was already like the hugest fan in the world at that time. And they came out Heart-shaped Box and it was like, "What is this weird video?" with like, you know, that the frames of the
Phill 7:45
Oh, it's like- yeah,
Joey S 7:46
The frames were hand pin hand painted individually to make it look like Technicolor like The Wizard of Oz and like, you know, those old twisted trees and fetuses hanging from it's bizarre it's like, "What is this?" and like, you know, It's like a Nirvana song. I'm like, "Whoa", Now, you know, I knew Metallica. I knew like Naughty by Nature and what was this? to me, you know. I didn't know Nevermind before that and then also Green Day came out- well that was a little bit later, you know, a few months later. So, that is how I got into music. That's my getting into music story. Yeah. And then like the long view video with Green Day with like Billy Joe and his fake British accent, shredding on the couch with a knife, and a Trey Cool's cymbals. Trey Cool's cymbals that looked like they were beat up with a hammer. I thought that was a coolest thing. So my brother had an older- my brother's friend, John, he let me borrow his In utero and Dookie cassettes, and it was a rap.
Phill 8:41
Mm hmm. Yeah, man. It's nuts, man. Um, you know, like, just hearing that history. And, you know, it was so new, right? This was like, there was nothing, as far as I'm concerned. Like, nothing that was
Joey S 8:57
It was new to us.
Phill 8:58
Yeah. new to us. Yeah. And it was widely available, like, you know, there was pumpkin and I you know, that was you know, like grunge quote, you know, whatever you want to call it was Seattle, right?
Joey S 9:09
You had to stay up- Right, you had to stay up after like 11 o'clock to see that on MTV.
Phill 9:13
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I remember that I remember for me it was like, you know, you know because my you know my dad- my mom's Puerto Rican and my dad's Jamaican so I grew up around instruments but I never was just used for you know, merengue and reggae.
Joey S 9:30
Right, salsa. Dude that's awesome. I didn't know about the merengue.
Phill 9:35
Yeah, yeah you know just got a family stuff you know like we had all you know, like like maracas in the house and
Joey S 9:40
Yeah, dude that beautiful G&L
Phill 9:43
Yeah, man it's my dad's
Joey S 9:45
T 1000 whatever it's called. That thing is awesome.
Phill 9:47
Yeah, man it's still kickin, man.
Joey S 9:48
Still kicking.
Phill 9:50
Yeah, it's like, think it's old as- older than me.
Joey S 9:53
At least as old as you are.
Phill 9:56
Yeah, I actually took it apart because the pickups were messed up and I went online and I found the- someone had just uploaded the PDFs of the wiring. So, yeah, it's opened up and I fixed it and it's great. Yeah. I have to like, derust it and stuff. But uh, yeah, man. I was gonna say like for me- what did me in with music with you know, like rock music and stuff was whe Faith No More video. Epic, man like that shit was- it's from us from like 90 I guess.
1990?
Yeah, but that was just like, "Yo, this is dope, man",
Joey S 10:31
Right.
Phill 10:32
Yeah. Yeah, so
Joey S 10:34
You want it out...
Phill 10:34
I can definitely relate.
Joey S 10:38
It's a great song. That's a song when it comes on the radio. I don't turn it off.
Phill 10:42
You don't. Yep, yep. Yep. You just listen to the whole thing through.
Joey S 10:45
Always. You know, Red Hot Chili Peppers, it comes on, you know, I skip that, you know?
Phill 10:51
You got to be in the mood.
Joey S 10:52
Yeah, you got to be in the mood.
Phill 10:54
Yeah, yeah, you got to be in the mood- 'cause like Flea, you know, He's a legend. This listen to that is awesome. Yeah, but the whole band is Sofia can be a bit grading for BMS. That's cool, man. So yeah, just Yeah. Just your older brothers and died and those cassettes
Joey S 11:09
and get the Dookie cassette and the cassette, like at the same time that was I don't know, probably February of 94. You know, September 93. Like, then Nirvana live and loud. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Phill 11:26
Yes, yeah.
Joey S 11:27
Yo, I remember seeing the the Tom's Dave girls giant, like 15 inch Tom. I remember seeing them shake. It was like friggin thunder. And you see Yeah, like, Whoa, yeah, this is
Phill 11:39
what I want to do. Yeah, yeah.
Joey S 11:42
So you're missing the Beck the Beck song Loser.
Phill 11:45
Yeah,
Joey S 11:46
video for that. There's a little girl that, you know, they make it edited. So she's going...
Phill 11:52
Yeah.
Joey S 11:55
And I was like, that's what that right there is when I was like, "I want a play drums".
Really? wow man so that's yeah
Yeah yeah that's awesome Jaw Box "Savory" video. Yeah, young Beavis and Butthead
Beavis & Butthead 12:08
"This sucks" lol "Yeah" lol.
Phill 12:12
Mm hmm I love that song. Yeah, yeah love that song.
Joey S 12:15
Yeah, great song that's so much stuff. So much like-
Phill 12:17
I think the Deftones covered it, too. The Deftones did a good cover.
Joey S 12:20
Yeah, they did so many good like, bands that like I know today were like, from Beavis and Butthead.
Phill 12:28
Yep. They showcased like Primus.
Joey S 12:30
Yeah,
Phill 12:32
Yeah. I was never a big Primus fan, but I just thought it was cool what they were doing.
Joey S 12:34
It was cool.
Phill 12:35
Yeah, cool. Yeah.
Joey S 12:37
Yeah, so I got like, you know, I got a pair of drumsticks. I didn't have a drum, but I had drumsticks.
Phill 12:43
Nice. The Brentwood way.
Joey S 12:44
And I just started beating on my- Yes, the Brentwood way and I started the youngest kid way too. The third child. All the hand me down stuff. You know, my brother had a guitar from his metal days it's a cheap Memphis guitar and he passed it to me. I started hitting pillows with the drumsticks. And, and like in class, I would have like a notebook like a spiral bound notebook and like pens. So, like one pen would be hitting like...every everybody must have like,
Phill 13:17
Must have been going nuts.
Joey S 13:20
But then, you know, like I said, 6th grade, we still weren't playing an instrument in Brentwood.
Phill 13:24
Mm hmm, that's right.
Joey S 13:25
You know, we were still in a basin a days a B, D days. Mm hmm. You know, climbing the rope in gym class or like TITI TA TITI TA you know?
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